Ok so I don't draw dragons, but I love your blog because it always makes me think about -why- I'm doing things with character design/world building. Practically everything here applies to all art, not just dragons, and I want to thank you for running the blog and giving out advice! <3
Anonymous

man, it’s rly cool to hear our advice has helped out someone who doesn’t even DRAW dragons! /smooch/ glad we could help, yo~

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This is done by a friend of mine.  I’ve told her time and time again that she needs to work on her anatomy, but she never listens.  She also claims that this character ISN’T a spyro OC yet she references Malefor in her Bio.
OH she’s also the Queen of Darkness or something Equally dumb.

This is done by a friend of mine.  I’ve told her time and time again that she needs to work on her anatomy, but she never listens.  She also claims that this character ISN’T a spyro OC yet she references Malefor in her Bio.

OH she’s also the Queen of Darkness or something Equally dumb.

omg do you think a dragon would shake itself if it went through a raincloud :D maybe not a whole lot but enough <3

dear god that sounds precious

what if they stuck their tongues out to catch water droplets? what if they were amphibious, and lived in an area w/ constant rain, so that’s how they got their moisture? what if they used periodic bursts of flame to heat/dry their bodies and keep themselves less waterlogged?

raincloud possibilities„„

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do some of these threats seem kinda silly to you? because that poor grammar anon doesn't scare me the least, lol
Anonymous

To be honest I enjoy the threats the most of every single thing on here.

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hey you, i Know my dragons have spikes as a element BUT if you think a bit, Cynder in TLOS has FEAR as an element.. Its fantasy and random in a try to be original so please if you have something you rlly must complain about in errors in my pictures so at least TRY to give a good critic and maybe some tips instead. but You know What? youre yapping/complaining is not gonna bother me, Why? CAUSE FANTASY RANDOM! i do Not make super realistic things and i will allways have errors even if i improved.
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leafex:

f-nodragonart:

Punctuation would be handy as English isn’t my main language and this is confusing as heck, but I’ll try-

When one thing does the thing, it doesn’t make it a good thing. Literally everyone can sit back and think “Hey, fear isn’t an element. Fear is an emotion.”
I don’t understand what you mean with ‘random’. You can’t just pick a thing and call it an element, as in add it to the pool with other elements like fire and water.

Elements are super broad. In classical folklores, they are earth, wind, water and fire. Often enough there’s also void/space or heaven depending on the folklores. There’s usually five.

Also, there’s a BUNCH of cool stuff you can do with chemical elements! (Did someone say HELIUM dragon? Hell yeah!) That stuff is fun, yo.

The thing is, some things can easily be considered elements, others cannot. Fear is one of the things that just cannot be called an element unless it’s considered to be part of a bigger bunch of things. Element can also mean ‘a part of’. I did not in Spyro, as far as I know.

And we do try to give out good critique. The only shtick is that one has to ask for it. Better browse the blog tags a bit more.

tl;dr fantasy may random, but some fantasy sense make none. looks weird, is a silly.

-Vark

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on the topic of fear as an element, I agree it’s def not an “element”, per say, but it can make for a very interesting general power (I’ve always been especially fond of mind powers- those to do w/ emotional/mental influence and manipulation), so it seems it’s another one of those Spyro things that prolly wasn’t particularly well thought-out, at least in terms of language. plotwise, it could have been an interesting power that broke from the traditional “elements”- mental/emotional powers that dragons could harness, such as projecting fear, in Cynder’s case, or projecting peace, or happiness. maybe dragons could have harnessed and manipulated any emotion, if they had the particular talent for it. tho, this obviously isn’t what happened, and I kinda think it was a waste of potential interesting worldbuilding

anyways, back to the main topic at hand, considering a “spike” element, even w/ the rather odd “fear” element, fear doesn’t cause a whole lot of problems cus’ it has clear and understandable “base components”, if u will. no matter what situation u may find urself in, or what is happening, fear is fear, at its base structure. it may come in different forms— apprehension, anxiety, stress, panic, etc.— but deep down its base is fear, so it’s easy to understand how it may be controlled and utilized. spikes, on the other hand, don’t HAVE a base form. they’re a SHAPE. hundreds upon thousands of things could be considered spikes, from rose thorns, to the spines on another dragon’s back, to ice cream cones, to the friggin’ pyramids of Giza, if u wanted to put ur mind to it! see what I mean? w/ spikes, u wouldn’t just be controlling spikes, but elements such as earth, metal, and even LIVING ORGANIC FORMS. SHAPE is not a BASE COMPONENT, but a SUPERFICIAL APPEARANCE. yes, of course, shape can affect how an object works, but shape is more of the “next step” in elemental manipulation, rather than the first (IE- shaping base earth into the shape of a spike, or shaping base fear to a more subtle apprehension). spikes aren’t a base to start from, but a means of manipulation, so they can’t BE an element in the first place. and even if it was, where does the manipulation stop? does the spike have to be cylindrical, or can it be pyramid-shaped? exactly how wide can it get before the manipulation no longer applies, and it’s just too wide to be considered a spike? can it be curved and still considered a spike? are swords considered spikes? it’s overall just a clumsy and awkward element to try and justify

and no, fantasy really ISN’T random. even if things aren’t necessarily “realistic”, any fantasy author or artist worth their salt makes SPECIFIC DECISIONS about their work, and how different powers and such effect their plotline or overall piece. in art, and that includes literary art especially, every artistic decision is planned and thought-out, as the author thinks of how a particular element effects the plotline, or how it lends to a certain character’s personality or growth, or as the artist plans out how an element affects the mood of their piece, whether in flow or color. fantasy isn’t random. art isn’t random. BOTH must find a base in reality to deviate from in order to seem relatable and realistic WITHIN THEIR WORLD’S OWN TERMS. u can’t create a world w/o knowing the realistic limitations of ur own world, and being able to apply and alter these limitations to fit w/in a fantasy realm

long story short, don’t bring ur “LOL I’M SO RANDOM XDDDDDDD” bullshit here, cus’ it won’t fly. u can do whatever the hell u want w/ ur characters, but if u try and pass this shit off as sound worldbuilding and character design, u obviously don’t have much respect for the world ur planning out

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To me, Fear “breaking the rules” as an element makes sense in the Legend of Spyro universe, because they established that purple dragons have powers that transcend the established rules, and Cynder only acquired the power from Malefor. (How often do they even call it an elements anyway, for any other reason than to relate it to Spyro’s powers so the co-op characters have mirrored characteristics?) But slapping it on your dragon oc and calling it an element calls into question the rules of your own universe, and what makes sense as an element. Though really, in my opinion, if you wanna call it an element and it kinda flows with the other elements you’ve chosen for your own world, power to you. Having spikes as an element, though, seems kinda silly and tough to justify. But if I dive into my love of Slayers, I recall that the true form of a demonic character named Xellos was, infact, a simple cone. So, with the inspiration of a demonic being whose true form exists on the astral plane, it kinda follows to me that you could make a creature whose essence is some base shape, and their power manifests in the form of that shape. It could be an “element” in the sense that it’s the elemental building block of their own form. Still has a lot of sillyness potential though, especially if it’s the only element in your world that has such an explanation.

That’s my two cents, anyhow.

true true, these are also good notes

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do you have a deviantart?
Anonymous

Not for the blog itself, as far as I know.
I wouldn’t see the use of it, anyway.

-Vark

Can a dragon moult? And if so, how do you think they would go through this?
Anonymous

sure man!

I’m reading thru this article about bearded dragon molting rn, and it’s very in-depth- a good read-thru if u want some ideas for molting

and on that note, I’d say lizard molting would work better as inspiration than snake molting (tho, this depends on ur dragon’s body structure and type of scales, too)

anyways, some general notes from the article-

  • the molting should probs last a few weeks
  • the dragon will probs be p lethargic, expending all that energy to shed, might not eat (needing the energy for shedding, not digestion), as well as more aggressive and averse to touch (u’d be a bit snippy too, if ur skin was that sensitive and probs uncomfortable, aha)
  • the dragon may eat the shed skin (the article mentions that this could either signal a lack of calcium in their diet, as the skin is full of calcium, or an instinctual behavior as to remove their scent and such from the area)
  • the dragon will likely rub up against trees or rough rocks, and hang out in some water source sometimes (more likely to hang out in more humid areas, too)
  • the shed skin shouldn’t be outright picked at- this could damage the new skin underneath
  • any shed skin that doesn’t fall off could restrict blood flow (particularly in the toes and tail) and cause infection/necrosis

again, much more info in the article, so I rly suggest reading it, but those are just some notes I picked out

also may or may not suggest keeping the wings from shedding. wing membranes are pretty delicate, so I don’t know how shedding, and subsequent scrapping to get the shed skin off, would work out. tho, u could try having the wings molt in patches, so the entire wing isn’t so vulnerable. idk, just thoughts

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hey you, i Know my dragons have spikes as a element BUT if you think a bit, Cynder in TLOS has FEAR as an element.. Its fantasy and random in a try to be original so please if you have something you rlly must complain about in errors in my pictures so at least TRY to give a good critic and maybe some tips instead. but You know What? youre yapping/complaining is not gonna bother me, Why? CAUSE FANTASY RANDOM! i do Not make super realistic things and i will allways have errors even if i improved.
Anonymous

Punctuation would be handy as English isn’t my main language and this is confusing as heck, but I’ll try-

When one thing does the thing, it doesn’t make it a good thing. Literally everyone can sit back and think “Hey, fear isn’t an element. Fear is an emotion.”
I don’t understand what you mean with ‘random’. You can’t just pick a thing and call it an element, as in add it to the pool with other elements like fire and water.

Elements are super broad. In classical folklores, they are earth, wind, water and fire. Often enough there’s also void/space or heaven depending on the folklores. There’s usually five.

Also, there’s a BUNCH of cool stuff you can do with chemical elements! (Did someone say HELIUM dragon? Hell yeah!) That stuff is fun, yo.

The thing is, some things can easily be considered elements, others cannot. Fear is one of the things that just cannot be called an element unless it’s considered to be part of a bigger bunch of things. Element can also mean ‘a part of’. I did not in Spyro, as far as I know.

And we do try to give out good critique. The only shtick is that one has to ask for it. Better browse the blog tags a bit more.

tl;dr fantasy may random, but some fantasy sense make none. looks weird, is a silly.

-Vark

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on the topic of fear as an element, I agree it’s def not an “element”, per say, but it can make for a very interesting general power (I’ve always been especially fond of mind powers- those to do w/ emotional/mental influence and manipulation), so it seems it’s another one of those Spyro things that prolly wasn’t particularly well thought-out, at least in terms of language. plotwise, it could have been an interesting power that broke from the traditional “elements”- mental/emotional powers that dragons could harness, such as projecting fear, in Cynder’s case, or projecting peace, or happiness. maybe dragons could have harnessed and manipulated any emotion, if they had the particular talent for it. tho, this obviously isn’t what happened, and I kinda think it was a waste of potential interesting worldbuilding

anyways, back to the main topic at hand, considering a “spike” element, even w/ the rather odd “fear” element, fear doesn’t cause a whole lot of problems cus’ it has clear and understandable “base components”, if u will. no matter what situation u may find urself in, or what is happening, fear is fear, at its base structure. it may come in different forms— apprehension, anxiety, stress, panic, etc.— but deep down its base is fear, so it’s easy to understand how it may be controlled and utilized. spikes, on the other hand, don’t HAVE a base form. they’re a SHAPE. hundreds upon thousands of things could be considered spikes, from rose thorns, to the spines on another dragon’s back, to ice cream cones, to the friggin’ pyramids of Giza, if u wanted to put ur mind to it! see what I mean? w/ spikes, u wouldn’t just be controlling spikes, but elements such as earth, metal, and even LIVING ORGANIC FORMS. SHAPE is not a BASE COMPONENT, but a SUPERFICIAL APPEARANCE. yes, of course, shape can affect how an object works, but shape is more of the “next step” in elemental manipulation, rather than the first (IE- shaping base earth into the shape of a spike, or shaping base fear to a more subtle apprehension). spikes aren’t a base to start from, but a means of manipulation, so they can’t BE an element in the first place. and even if it was, where does the manipulation stop? does the spike have to be cylindrical, or can it be pyramid-shaped? exactly how wide can it get before the manipulation no longer applies, and it’s just too wide to be considered a spike? can it be curved and still considered a spike? are swords considered spikes? it’s overall just a clumsy and awkward element to try and justify

and no, fantasy really ISN’T random. even if things aren’t necessarily “realistic”, any fantasy author or artist worth their salt makes SPECIFIC DECISIONS about their work, and how different powers and such effect their plotline or overall piece. in art, and that includes literary art especially, every artistic decision is planned and thought-out, as the author thinks of how a particular element effects the plotline, or how it lends to a certain character’s personality or growth, or as the artist plans out how an element affects the mood of their piece, whether in flow or color. fantasy isn’t random. art isn’t random. BOTH must find a base in reality to deviate from in order to seem relatable and realistic WITHIN THEIR WORLD’S OWN TERMS. u can’t create a world w/o knowing the realistic limitations of ur own world, and being able to apply and alter these limitations to fit w/in a fantasy realm

long story short, don’t bring ur “LOL I’M SO RANDOM XDDDDDDD” bullshit here, cus’ it won’t fly. u can do whatever the hell u want w/ ur characters, but if u try and pass this shit off as sound worldbuilding and character design, u obviously don’t have much respect for the world ur planning out

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Have you ever watched dragon tails?
Anonymous

/thinks back to the hours and hours I wasted as a young child, sat cross-legged on the carpet in front of my tv singing along to the dragon tales theme song

no

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Nope. It never aired here because Europe and stuff.

I do own the plushies because I thought they were really cute when I was younger.

-Vark

What do you think about the idea that a dragon can't do certain things (like breath fire, or use powers, ect.) till they reach a process that's kinda the equivalent of puberty.
Anonymous

that sounds like a p realistic scenario- after all, baby birds can’t fly until their flight feathers have grown in and matured, so it makes sense for a dragon to need to mature before they can use their powers

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Hello! I was wondering if I could get some help. When designing characters, I try to add as much variation as possible to them. I'm not very good with wings, and I was wondering if I could get some help? What's the minimum amount of webbing a dragon can have and still fly, and what's the maximum?
Anonymous

minimum, I’d say at least to the bottom end of the hip, to secure and hold the whole torso. but even then, that minimum can vary w/ body structures, and how large the wing itself is. if the body is more short/stout, then the torso might not be long enough to provide enough surface area for the wings, so u’d have to extend the membrane down the tail. on the other hand, if the wing itself is short, then u’d, again, have to compensate by making the membrane extend farther down

maximum… there isn’t rly a maximum, I think. u can extend the membrane all the way down to the tip of the tail, if u want (maybe the air helps it flair out into a sorta “tail paddle” in the air, to help w/ maneuvering), or maybe there are frills coming off the tail to extend it even farther. honestly, the only “maximum” restriction comes from how long ur dragon’s tail (and extended frills) is

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When dragons that can fly fight, do you think that they might try to destroy the others wings? Like a dragon that can't fly is disgraceful in there eyes. It's based off an idea that some dragons think there better.
Anonymous

yeah man, if that’s how u want to structure their society

I could see that tactic used in other scenarios too, like battles for dominance or territory (a downed dragon ain’t gonna be challenging u or ur territory anymore, after all)

just remember that in these kinda scenarios, animals must balance out the pros and cons concerning their safety, and what they’re fighting for. animals, contrary to popular belief, don’t just go around and beat each other up willy-nilly- they weigh their options, and choose the best option, and if that option is battle, then so be it

one of the best examples of this I can think of off the top of my head is a short study provided by the book Through Our Eyes Only?, a book on animal behavior by Marian Stamp Dawkins. she talks about this study done on deer (I can’t remember what kinda deer, now, aha) whose males get very aggressive during mating season, and gather their own groups of female deer that they protect from other males for the duration of the season. the researchers went in to the project thinking that the male deer were arbitrarily fighting one another for mates, but not so! after more study of the herd, the researchers found that the defending and intruding males would take a great deal of time sizing each other up- they would first strut back and forth across from each other (from a distance, aha), measuring each others’ size and relative build. if the intruder found himself much weaker/smaller than his opponent. he’d back off, unwilling to risk his own skin for what would most likely be a painful defeat. next, if the intruder didn’t back off (likely, the males would be of the same general size/build), then they’d start to… “roar” (?) at each other (I honestly can’t remember if there was a specific name for the sound, but think of like… “deer honking”? jesus, that’s a bad description, but u get the picture). the louder the roar, the stronger the deer could be assumed to be (if ur healthy and fit, u can roar louder, longer, and more often than an unhealthy deer that’s struggling to simply breathe. after defending their females so single-mindedly for many weeks, often w/ few eating breaks, even the strongest males can become weak, and this roaring can be a good indicator, besides their obviously reduced muscle mass from their few meals). this roaring could go on for a while, and again, the intruder judges his winning chances against the other male, and backs off if he thinks himself too weak. if he doesn’t back off, THEN comes the actual clash of antlers

anyways, long story short, think of how far ur dragons are willing to go, and how much they’re willing to risk- are they willing to risk their status for their own safety, or risk their safety for their status?

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Considering how much energy is used for breathing fire. Can be assumed that dragons eat very heavily or they store food in hidden areas (or even there stomachs) to be eaten later?
Anonymous

oh yeah, absolutely! honestly, I think having a sort of “energy limit” on the dragon’s breath weapon is probs the most realistic way to go about it, then they’d need to “charge up” by eating more, consuming more of a certain type of material used for the fire, and probably sleeping too (so more of the food’s energy is used to make more “fire-starter” material, rather than towards any strenuous activities the dragon is doing)

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What's you guy's opinions on the dragons from the "Dragon's Treasure" Macau bubble theater? ( watch?v=ZeIsmTBGDNA The dragons start showing up from 7:18 onwards)
Anonymous

video link

hmmm, well many of them have noodle necks (it was hard to tell whether some of these dragons took to the skies or stayed completely underwater, but if they stayed underwater, then I can kindaaa see the necks being more realistic, but they’re still kinda meh), and the torsos are too skinny to hold too many organs. their limbs seemed rather long for primarily aquatic dragons. then the last dragon’s wings had many typical problems, such as lack of wing membrane, and not a very defined arm structure (tho, that bit could just be b/c the wing itself was very dark, and the details were hard to distinguish)

the show itself seemed p cool, tho! like man, think of the possibilities- what a cool alternative to aquariums and zoos, what a neat way to have viewers explore a bit of the known cosmos, ahh

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how would u draw a dragon yawning? I cant seem to do it w/o making it look like they're roaring ;o
Anonymous

That’s a toughie.

The main difference between yawning and roaring are pretty slight and unnoticeable, but some of the characteristics are pretty much key points when it comes to the difference!

Ignore the shoddy sketches. Haha. They’re just here to make things a bit more clear.

A roaring drawing would likely do so to intimidate, or do a cool hierarchy thing. A roar is supposed to be ferocious. An intimidating stare combined with as many teeth bared as possible could do the trick! Be sure to show gums! Open that maw wide! As wide as possible! A dragon will show you what it’s got!

Also, pay attention to the tongue! It’s visible, but not sticking out.

A yawning dragon would likely not be interested in baring its teeth, although the upper teeth may be bared depending on its facial structure. After all, upper teeth are easily bared, even when smiling!
The lower lip is usually relaxed, not showing gums or whole teeth. Maybe just the pointy tips. Yawning isn’t about opening wide, but just wide enough to have a nice one.
Eyes are usually closed. Not always though! But it makes it easier to draw an actual yawn (to me, at least). If you want to draw the eyes open, keep them relaxed and not wide open. Yawns usually only affect the lower half of the face.
Most animals that are shown yawning also curve their tongue out for extra stretchy goodness.

Another important factor is a dragon’s posture.  A roaring dragon, if not cornered, will likely make itself broad and stand wide. A yawning dragon would look silly doing so.

-Vark